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[Anonymous]

Since the thread went on second page it seems worthwhile to note that for last physical information see page 1, Anonymous October 05 2011.

Next 4 posts are some offtopic.

Though indeed, the absence of questions/ remarks in the thread is rather strange; usually the forum’s users are rather active. An example – the information on the informational conception/ model firstly appeared, seems, in 2009, in thread (seems again) "neutrons as the dark matter" (by an unknown reason the thread was eliminated from this forum's section). Somebody – that started the thread – suggested that neutrons can be the dark matter particles. Practically at once some forum's users explained to the somebody that neutrons cannot be dark matter particles...

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[Anonymous]

It seems that the last post can be continued. Not only the forum's users and Anonymouss are silent. It turns out that a lot of papers relating to "principle of the quantumness and...and the computational grand-unification" (and something like) appeared in - e.g., in Phis. Rev. - after 2008. An example
http://www.qubit.it/people/dariano/Pubblicazioni/pubblicazioni.html

There is a number of groups besides "Perimeter institute" publishing on similar topics.

And all authors are totally silent relating to Shevchenko and Tokarevsky 2007 - 2011...

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[Anonymous]

It may be worthwhile to add a note to the post Anonymous October 05 2011 – relating to the OPERA experiment.

Observed exceeding of the neutrinos’ speed comparing to the speed of light (SL) contradicts with the informational model by at least two reasons.

First – any known other material particle doesn’t have the speed more then the SL and there are no reasons to think that neutrinos are some exclusion.

And two – if some particle has the speed that exceeds the SL, then it can be detected only if it was born on some distance from the detector at a time moment that was in absolute time earlier then corresponding "material" (i.e., of the detector state) absolute time moment. It is practically impossible in this case – the neutrinos were born in material target. So if they had speed more then SL, then they should go out the present absolute time – and impossible be detected by "present time detectors – immediately after the birth.

It seems they have an artifact...

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[Anonymous]

Now a next paper relating to the informational physics was made, but seems some known problems with its acceptance in some publishing institution happened. So I attach it to this thread:

http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/31372-inform-physics/page__st__20__gopid__672546#entry672546
(topic “Inform physics”)
post SSDS 19 of April 2012

- there are two versions of paper – English PDF and Russian PDF.

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[Anonymous]

Now the paper
http://arxiv.org/abs/0707.4657 , v3, (“The Informational Conception and Basic Physics”)

eventually appeared in arXiv.

Tough to understand the model remains be rather desirable to read
http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.3712 , (“The Information as Absolute”)

and
http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.0003 , (“Space and Time”)

as well as, possibly, the thread “1/0”,
http://www.thescienceforum.com/physics/19552−1-0-a.html#post323763
(since the thread is spammed) - the posting “SSDZ – Guitarist ”

before/ also.

And again: what is about the experiments in, e.g., http://arxiv.org/abs/0706.3979 , first of all - the experiment with a couple of orbital clocks and measurement of a monochromatic photon beam frequency distortion in Earth gravity ?

First one allows to confirm/ to not confirm the self-contradictory of the SR and to choose between the SR and Voigt-FitzGerald-Lorentz theory (as well as this model), when the experiments that were made till now didn’t check this point; the second one allows to detect possible Planck scale interactions - and both are comparatively simple and cheap…

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[Anonymous]

It turn out to be that there are a number of papers were so called “Euclidian relativity” is developing (60-th – 2000 years), where a number of ideas and results of the informational model were obtained earlier.
(see, e.g, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity_%28alternative_formulations%29
). The papers weren’t published and referred in mainstream journals, so I found those works only recently.
Corresponding modification of the http://arxiv.org/abs/0707.4657 , V4, appeared in arXiv. Changes are rather little – the additional subsection in section 2.2.1 and a couple of sentences in Discussions and conclusion.

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[Anonymous]

Sorry, but I have forgotten to add standard appendix to the information about the infomodel paper modification, so:

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And again: what is about the experiments in, e.g., http://arxiv.org/abs/0706.3979 , first of all - the experiment with a couple of orbital clocks and measurement of a monochromatic photon beam frequency distortion in Earth gravity ?

The first one allows to confirm/ to not confirm the self-contradictory of the SR and to choose between the SR and Voigt-FitzGerald-Lorentz theory (as well as this model), when the experiments that were made till now didn’t check this point; the second one allows to detect possible Planck scale interactions - and both are comparatively simple and cheap. Besides – the experiment with a measurement of possible photon beam frequency distortion can be done by using interferometers in existent gravity waves detectors – it is necessary to add 3-th interferometer’s arm in a borehole having depth 300- 400m; at that – such experiment can be applied to test any other quantum gravity model…

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[Anonymous]

Now a little upgrade of the paper “the Information as Absolute” appeared – see
http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.3712 . The paper helps to understand additionally – if necessary – the “Space and Time” ( http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.0003 ) paper.

And again: what is about the experiments in, e.g., http://arxiv.org/abs/0706.3979 , first of all - the experiment with a couple of orbital clocks and measurement of a monochromatic photon beam frequency distortion in Earth gravity ?

The first one allows to confirm/ to not confirm the self-contradictory of the SR and to choose between the SR and Voigt-FitzGerald-Lorentz theory (as well as this model), when the experiments that were made till now didn’t check this point; the second one allows to detect possible Planck scale interactions - and both are comparatively simple and cheap. Besides – the experiment with a measurement of possible photon beam frequency distortion can be done by using interferometers in existent gravity waves detectors – it is necessary to add 3-th interferometer’s arm in a borehole having depth 300- 400m; at that – such experiment can be applied to test any other quantum gravity model.

Some example for two-clocks experiment:

the orbital speed of international cosmic station is near V ~7.6 km/s, the Voigt-Lorentz decrement, VL/c² ~ 8.4.10⁽⁻¹⁴⁾ s*L. For a rod having L=25 m the decrement is 2. 10⁽⁻¹²⁾s – now such a precision isn’t a problem. For 250m rod the decrement is 2. 10⁽⁻¹¹⁾s, clocks with such a precision have sizes as a matchbox.

But so long rod isn’t possibly necessary. After first synchronization the process can be repeated any times with a small rod. E.g., if one uses 10 cycles “put ahead on the rod – free return” with 25m rod, the result will be as when using 250 m rod.

It is evident, that by using measured data on the VL-decrement is possible to measure the speed V.

However, it is impossible in this case to measure the Earth’s speed in space relating to absolute reference frame, because of in Earth’s gravity is impossible to make a free clocks system. But if one launches a couple of clocks far enough away from the solar system, then such a measurement would be possible.

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[Anonymous]

Now a little upgrade of the paper “Space and Time” appeared – see http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.0003

And the standard question again:

what is about the experiments in, e.g., http://arxiv.org/abs/0706.3979 , first of all - the experiment with a couple of orbital clocks and measurement of a monochromatic photon beam frequency distortion in Earth gravity ?

The first one allows to confirm/ to not confirm the self-contradictory of the SR and to choose between the SR and Voigt-FitzGerald-Lorentz theory (as well as this model), when the experiments that were made till now didn’t check this point;

the second one allows to detect possible Planck scale interactions - and both are comparatively simple and cheap. Besides – the experiment with a measurement of possible photon beam frequency distortion can be done by using interferometers in existent gravity waves detectors – it is necessary to add 3-th interferometer’s arm in a borehole having depth 300- 400m; at that – such experiment can be applied to test any other quantum gravity model.

Some example for two-clocks experiment (after a pair o clocks are synchronized, one of them (clock−2) is pushed by a rod ahead on a distance L. Its showing obtains the Voigt-Lorentz decrement, -VL/c2. If clock−2 is returned by the rod, both clocks have identical showings. If clock−2 is returned without rigid connection with the clock−1, the clocks showings will differ on the VL-decrement:

the orbital speed of international cosmic station is near V ~7.6 km/s, the VL decrement, ~ 8.4.10(−14) s*L. For a rod having L=25 m the decrement is 2. 10(−12)s – now such a precision isn’t a problem. For 250m rod the decrement is 2. 10(−11)s, clocks with such a precision have sizes as a matchbox.

But so long rod isn’t possibly necessary. After first synchronization the process can be repeated any times with a small rod. E.g., if one uses 10 cycles “put ahead on the rod – free return” with 25m rod, the result will be as when using 250 m rod.

It is evident, that by using measured data on the VL-decrement is possible to measure the speed V ; what is possible in the VFLT (and infomodel) and impossible in the SRT.

However, it is impossible in this case to measure the Earth’s speed in space relating to absolute reference frame, because of in Earth’s gravity is impossible to make a free clocks system. But if one launches a couple of clocks far enough away from the solar system, then such a measurement would be possible.

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